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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6Surely balance lies in having different forums presenting different sides of things, then the reader sees both sides and comes to their own conclusion?
All too often the mistake made by left forums is trying too hard to be fair to the right POV, meanwhile, the unscrupulous right is busy lying it's ass off in it's forums with no conscience..
The result is that the right get reasonably fair treatment on left forums and there is complete right bias on their own forums.
That's not balance either.
The left need to present their POV strongly on their forums, The right need to present theirs strongly
Then the reader needs to read both forums and draw their own conclusions.
That system cannot work when the left are busy being far too lenient with the right for fear of criticism of their balance.
All too often when left wing opinions are expressed on a forum like indymedia, right wing trolls come here to try and sabotage any proper discussion by trolling. The same disruptive behaviour is not in any way as prevalent on more right wing forums from left wing posters.
Also your post takes no account of systematic astro turfing (fake grass root support) and professional deliberate cyber interference operations or "hasbara" on opinion forming websites. There is a lot of money pumped into such operations in the US. I recall there was a new york times article highlighting the spending on this sort of thing and it was an eye opener.
Probably not so much on indymedia these days but there used to be a few posters with impossible sets of opinions and ridiculous levels of cognitive dissonance which seemed only likely to be sustainable with regular cash injections!! ;-)
Left posters should not shirk in presenting their views as they see them on their home forums, biased or not. The balance does not have to be perfect on individual forums for there to be overall balance. In fact trying to do this can cause a net imbalance in favour of an unscrupulous right who tend to have much more money and control over much more of the media.
Readers can easily read from multiple websites to get their balance and form their final opinions.
I'm sticking with not countering propaganda with polemic reaction...I don't think it serves any purpose to promote counter-bias, rather than accuracy and an attempt at retaining veracity rather than 'winning' their arguments.
I'll keep crediting the readers with enough intelligence to discern all bias..or at least enough interest to try.
maybe you should call yourself optimisticus diablos!! ;-)
I'm a little more of a pessimist myself. I think you sometimes need to chisel things into people's foreheads to get through to them in between episodes of xfactor and geordie shore!! ;-)
But usually FOX / RTE / Indo / CNN / Al Jazeera have got there with the chisel first and are relentless!!
..with optimism.
I just think ideology and propaganda are elements of the pattern that gets its rocks off on polemics rather than attempted construction..however fruitless the latter exercise.
The best thing is for commited activists who visit this site to read calmly and only reply in logical calm terms to posts and articles that appear. Don't fall into the emotive traps laid by provocateurs. Think clearly, keep calm and carry on. If you let other people get your goat you are halfway towards coming under their control.
..half their strategy(and we see it working all the time)is to create steam and smoke so as to block and distract from information posted.
First see is their even a grain of truth in the comment; concede that point if it exists; take on board any criticism of your own argument(the 'maybe I'm not infallible either' policy), and respond with reason...not propagandistic heat.
If a comment angers you, walk around the block and laugh at least once before replying.