Political harrassment, intimidation and mistreatment at HMP Maghaberry

by Jonah Tue Jan 06, 2004 14:56

The wha'? Is this not the same UDA which recently published, in full, a statement in a Ballymoney newspaper threatening a local councillor who objected to an attack on school children at a leisure centre in Bushmills before Christmas?

Is the threat to 'get' him or the attack on schoolchildren the greater breach of the 'ceasefire'?

by bewildered Tue Jan 06, 2004 15:25

All of the UDA prisoners are in for the same thing as Adair and the other scumbag - ie. drug dealing, sectarian attacks, extortion, and I do beleive there may even be a sexual offender among this fine bunch of progressives. Which begs the question, why is this shit put up???? Would Indymedia publish a press release on behalf of the Aryan Nations? C 18? The Grey Wolves?

by Mike Tue Jan 06, 2004 17:11

"Would Indymedia publish a press release on behalf of the Aryan Nations? C 18? The Grey Wolves?"

IMHO the answer should be "IN GENERAL no". But at the same time it maybe does call for editorial discression and NOT a blanket deposting JUST because of the source.

There are circumstances under which certain message types, even from the fascists, probably should be considered acceptable. It may be a shock to contemplate this, but the reality is that we do not disagree with the fascists across the board. It is NOT true that if the fascists are against something, then we are for it, and vice versa.

You doubt that? Suppose the topic were "should "kiddie porn" be allowed.

by Prison reform Tue Jan 06, 2004 23:22

I am not a loyalist, or in anyway right wing, but the issue posted relates to Inhumane, degrading treatment by Prison officers, something which both ordinary loyalists and republicans have experienced at the hands of Prison officers.

When we contrast the harsh, brutal and abusive treatment dished out to ordinary loyalist and republican prisoners against the special privileged and protective treatment prison officers give the likes of HM favourite Johnny Adair, then something is clearly very sick and wrong with HM prison service.

by clodagh Tue Jan 06, 2004 23:29

Sex offenders and nuances are like HM favourite Johnny Adair kept in isolation from the rest of the prison paramilitary population and treated with kid gloves by prison officers and the NIO.

You are attempting to associate working class paramilitary prisoners with sex offenders in order to excuse the brutal, abusive and demoralising treatment dished out by prison officers. Sex offenders and nuances are treated like royalty by the Prison service, unlike loyalist and republican paramilitary prisoners.

by Gearóid FitzG Wed Jan 07, 2004 01:43

I hope all of the scumbags in Maghaberry and every other prison is suffering hellish torment. The'yre criminals, they're in they're because they've done evil things and by God I hope they're suferring 24/7.

I wouldn't have it any other way.

by Ex-xtian Wed Jan 07, 2004 02:53

Spoken like a true Christian.

by bewildered Wed Jan 07, 2004 09:44

Not that you couldn't be both although your reference to "working class loyalist paramilitaries" suggests that you might believe yourself yo be some kind of a socialist. Not too many middle class or upper middle class loyalist paramilitaries strangely enough as you will find that the sort of scum in Maghaberry are used by the Unionists and Brits to do their dirty work.

I assume that by "nuances" you are referring to informers? Probably every one of them is working for either Special Branch or the Brits which shows how pathetic your defence of them is. As for sexual offenders, there are at least two UDA prisoners whose "crimes of loyalty" include rape and they are not segregated. Indeed some of the leading heroes of loyalism have been rapists.

by clogagh Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:03

Be they loyalist or republican prisoners they certainly have better moral values than HM prison officers. Quite a few prison officers were recently convicted of child sex abuse and rape not to mention paedophile peeler Hiram Fletcher.

Certainly working class loyalists were used by the ulster/brit establishment middle/upper classes to do their dirty work, whilst our respectable pillars of society kept their pearly white hands clean. eg The firebrand reverend Ian Paisley who encouraged and incited others to hate and target their catholic neighbours, whilst never ever getting his own hands dirty, and also washing his hands of those who were caught doing his dirty work. Many have realised this. That doesn't mean that things can't change, we are entering a new era of peace, where it is possible for loyalists to revaluate the political situation. Some loyalists such as the PUP have been doing just this.

The british government and authorities have been clamping down on loyalists afterJohnny Adair & C company were expelled, it is funny how the brit authorities weren't too concerned or keen to clamp down on loyalist activities when Johnny Adair, paedophile Roy green and co were directing its operations.
Andre Shoukri is in prison not for sectarian crime, but for being in possession of a weapon, purely for self defence purposes against C company.
No need to resort to personal insults, and branding me a loyalist, just because you have no concrete argument to counteract my logical points.

by no wonder you're bewildered Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:09

Bewildered is only bewildered because they are middle class peelers/prison officers/squaddies.

In which case they can't understand why they aren't allowed to intimidate, mentally, physically abuse, beat, degrade, urinate on and spit at working class loyalist/republcian paramilitary prisoners.
Whilst treating nuances/child sex offenders/Johnny Adair with kid gloves, because nuances/child sex offenders may be of use in terms of informing to the NIO/Special branch.

by Gregory Carson - SP Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:22

The UDA have played an important role in damping down sectarianism in Loyalist areas. They have also started to move against Hood elements like Adair. They have always fought agaibst Fascist infiltration and have even physically ran Fascists out. This is not to have illusions in the UDA, just to recognise that they have at times taken a progressive role.

by bewildered Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:59

I'm not even going to attempt to be polite anymore given the crap above. The UDA are scum and anyone who believes different is either one of them or a fool. And don't try and muddy the waters by mentioning the PUP who whatever you might say about them are light years removed from the UDA, who by the way drove the UVF/PUP out of their homes.

Hoods??? So what the fuck is Shoukri? The UDA fued was about control of drugs and prostitution. The entire leadership is reeking in the blood of civilans murdered because they were Catholics or because they were Protestants who refused to kow tow to them. If they are so popular how come they have so derisory support in the areas they control?

As for the reference to informers. Once again I have to point out that probably every UDA member has some connection to the state forces as a tout or recipient of information when the state wants them to take someone out. The fact that they still end up in prison is the same as any ordinary informing hood who eventually will find himself shopped by a tout higher up the ladder.

by United capitalist c**t front collapses Sat Jan 10, 2004 00:32

Shoukri since you singled him out, maybe you have a personal vendetta against him, is of much better moral fibre than the likes of rich bastard sectarian ulster establishment unionists like the DUP's Reverend Ian Paisley who incite and encourage working class protestants to commit acts of sectarian hatred, then wash their hands of them.

As for hood/criminal, some of ulsters corrupt capitalist big buisness men featured in the society rag, the Ulster tatler are more of hoods/criminals than Mr shoukri will ever be, corrupt buisnessmen and companies who take tax payers money to set up their fly by night mickey mouse buisness, then once they make a profit, close down their buisness, running off with the millions invested by the IDB. Paying pittance in wages, and then leaving thousands unemployed.

Bewildered and those who work for the state have no right to claim the moral ground given the context of the troubles in NI.

by Karen Sun Jan 11, 2004 23:12

What is remarkable about the troubles, is the british government and its paid up state agents/employees involvement in terms of targeting, instigating, organising and planning many of the sectarian murders and political assasinations that have occured here, and their use and manipulation of loyalist paramilitaries.

Paid up british state agents/former squaddies such as Brian Nelson, Ken Barrett, William Stobie, Billy Wright and also Johnny Adair all played an active part in cold blooded callous sectarian murder.

This was not a rogue element of collusion, as in a few loyalist paramilitaries squealing and passing on information to peelers and brit intelligence, but the brit authorities at the highest level, pasing information to loyalist paramilitaries, with a view to targeting, and murdering certain individuals.

British state organised/sponsored and controlled assasination and murder.

What bewildered is saying is really he/she preferred this old regieme, the days of C company where loyalists commited cold hearted, cold blooded, callous sectarian murders to the tune of the british government, instead of todays harmles petty criminal loyalist ceasefire soldiers.

I have to say give me Shoukri and the new UDA leadership any day, they may be engaged in petty criminal activity but at least they are not engaged in gunning down innocent catholic civillians.

by Casey Fri Jan 30, 2004 15:09 casey_smith85 at yahoo dot co dot uk

Some people are in prison because they have stood up for what they believe in, they shouldn't be put through hell, hoping someone suffers it's very Christain. I was brought up to believe that standing up for what you believe in is important and thats what some have done, Me personally, I am not very Christain, so if that how you feel go to hell yourself.

by Graeme Sat Nov 05, 2005 06:40

This is a perfect example of a loyalist mind and how it twists the situation into being victims.
Why is he locked up?
Why do you feel that loyalists have had a ruff deal on the good friday agreement?
Why do you support people who's purpose is to capatilise on situations with an aim on dividing society?
There will come a day when you people have to decide if you want peace, if you don't, you will be alienated from society and the full force of the two governments will come down on top of you.