re-educating the uncivil service

by + Mon Aug 22, 2005 17:43

you've no sense of humour, and you are very sensitive (like a lot of irish people) about "class" and "mortgages", that has become very clear over the months you've been writing comments, I think thats symptomatic of Ireland's recent prosperity, its a nation of nouveau riche workers who mostly were never aware they were workers in the first place.
there is yet very little true class consciousness to be seen, you have working class people saying they're middle class, middle class people saying they're working. Really quite ridiculous when they're claims to such status are compared to continental EU types, which is why I went through several months in 2003 arguing that we are all "formerly working class or formerly middle class", some feel more "secure" than others often merely as a result of debt or credit status.

Anyway you're quite justified :- people have to have the right to sleep.
Totally with you there.
I just don't think ASBO's are the answer to tourists who behave far from home in a way they wouldn't at home. Do me a favour Al, bop a skateboarder on the head with your baton and get the discipline in to them. (joke)

I'm joking a lot these days, its august, and only the hardcore residual writers/readers are online.
Oh, where have the students gone? anyway my hatred of skateboarders goes way back, and no-one understands me. Thats how it goes.
But civil rights come first. no to ASBOs!
;-)

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by Al Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:15

"I have never been kept awake by a working class kid unless it was fun and memorable." - Once again its the left or working class fighter that distinguishes between middle and working class. I didnt mention classes, I simple stated that a person should be able to sleep in peace at 2am. Somehow I still manage to be attacked for this. What jolly antics did the working class kids provide for you? Considering a skateboard is such a sinfull device in your eyes.

"Tell you the truth, the shotgun by the door was agreat deterrent to hooligans.
Wouldn't you agree Al, that the right to bear arms and brandish them at the gurrier could play a part in maintaining the precarious worker work schedule?" - the right to bear arms doesnt and hasnt existed in Ireland so im not sure what your point is. Please define a 'worker' you seem to have a very defined use for the word.

Actually, dont bother responding, it will just be more crap sprouting from a biased asshole who thinks the world owes him.

by bob Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:05

I'm also a heroic Worker, a Stakhanovite in fact. Bleedin' middle class tourists!

by + (my dark side) Sun Aug 21, 2005 19:25

its a case of middle class tourists to barcelona from Ireland realising that the streets they skateboard on and make noise on in the small hours, are the same streets where the workers who feed them in restaurants sleep, and simple manners.
I dont really think an international anti-skateboard ASBO is practical, and since skateboarders are a pet hate of mine, I have long suggested that Barcelona (the only city in europe not to restrict the use of skateboards) move to include them in the illegal stakes. The only solution is "manners" or criminalisation. If i had it my way all tourists would be criminalised, and snotty little middle class dubliners would be maced.
unfortuanately the police here, are like the police in ireland (and you are a garda aren't you Al?) they ignore the middle class gurriers and hassle the working class kids instead.
I have never been kept awake by a working class kid unless it was fun and memorable.

Tell you the truth, the shotgun by the door was agreat deterrent to hooligans.
Wouldn't you agree Al, that the right to bear arms and brandish them at the gurrier could play a part in maintaining the precarious worker work schedule?

by Al Sun Aug 21, 2005 17:46

A case in point for ASBO's I think. I too suffer from neighbours from hell and would just love to be able to slap them with an ASBO but as a result of the left all we can do is ask nicely and when he tells us to fuck off we pat him on the head and agree that hes misunderstood.

by + youre namesake john. Sun Aug 21, 2005 15:34

has re-affirmed his belief that religion and religion alone can save humantiy and not ideologies.
Apparantly the problem is the church's involvement with empire for almost 1700 years and its close connections to the fascist ideology for almost 80.
But root out the imperialists and fascists and everything will be ok, especially for the young people.
bless 'em.

I think its a load of crap.
the problem is hooligans.
They come in 2 varieties:-
accepted level of hooliganism common garden yob, and badly timed extremist hooligan terrorist nutter.

I had one on my street last night, irish lad jumping the kerb on his skateboard for two and half hours ignoring the cries from the locals to stop, it was between 00h30 and 02h10 and many of them had to sleep. I took it on myself to shout at him in his languages and ask him to stop. as gaielge and as bearla. He refused. In fact he called up his little gurrier friends to join him, and they gave us the most noisy display of kerb jumping skateboarding at 02h15 in the morning, shouting in middle class dublin accents at us "now look at the ruckus you caused, chill out man! I live here!".

If the underlying political situation in Barcelona this august had been similar to the 1960s, or 1930s or 1909 we could have called the relevant authorities and had them shot. But alas tourism and modern liberal economics have discouraged such disciplinary actions, and instead we just have to figure out how to advise mental retrogrades not to overdose on liquid ecstasy at the weekend, and this is called progress.

If you're reading, you *#/&%-! little gurrier,

-------------------- I forgive you.