Irish Examiner does an Irish Ferries.

by No to outsourcing - JustsayNa Sun Jan 22, 2006 01:57 bubblewrapme at hotmail dot com

This type of 'outsourcing' has already happened with the Irish Independent. Jobs are going to an Indian company called HCL based in Armagh.

The same thing is in the process of happening at the Independent's other title the Belfast Telegraph. It is quite possible that hundreds of job losses will follow.

Now here is the real kicker: Invest NI are throwing wads and wads of cash at this. Their spin is that new jobs are being created in Armagh. However this is only at the expense of jobs in Belfast and Dublin. A scandal.

see:
http://www.villagemagazine.ie/article.asp?sid=1&sud=10&aid=866

by Jim Sun Jan 15, 2006 22:19

Thats all I'm gonna say.

by Cian - SP Sun Jan 15, 2006 22:03

Hey,
Even if they are going to be using hugely better machines that doesn't justify anything. That just means that the new workers are going to be even MORE productive than before, whilst recieving even less of the value of their work! Thats just worsening the ecoonomic stabilty of capitalism as now workers will have less money in the economy so will be able to buy back less of the goods - and as this is all happening n more than just one or two places it can have a big effect.

This is really just one example of acontradiction of capitalism: to maximise profits capitalists will always try reduce the proportion of the vale of a good that goes to the wages. This means workers can't buy back all there goods leading to a crisis of overproduction and recession. THis will not do for workers as it is (as always) us who have to shoulder the burden of capitalisms economic problems!! Technology only worsens this, with it being used as a whip to workers, not to their advantage. Under Socialism mechanisation could be used to free woerks from the constant toil etc, to secure a 35 hour (or less) working week with no loss in pay. Under capitalism it will be used to mazimise profits and justify worsening of conditions and ultemitely will be destroyed or go unused when recession hits.

On Roches stores see this link:

http://www.SocialistParty.net/pub/pages/socialist011nov05/8.htm

and scroll down a little bit.

Thanks,
Cian

by F Sun Jan 15, 2006 19:14

"Web Concepts, is looking for print technicians and is proposing to pay them in the region of €19,000 per year, quite a drop from the €40,000 average of the old workforce"

Apart from the wages, how are the employers specifically looking for migrants?


I heard the Examiner is moving to a new 'state-of-the-art' facility.

Is it not a case of the jobs being displaced by new technology?

by James Sat Jan 14, 2006 21:59

These terms were negotiated and accepted by the union and its members. It is a great temptation for older workers to accept such terms as they near the end of their working life. With the unions being so docile in the last number of years the long view seems absent.

by unionist Sat Jan 14, 2006 15:46

The article mentions nothing about the respnose from the unions. The print workers are highly unionised and will i am sure oppose these proposals from the examiner. What has the union said?? It certainly is not a foregone conclusion that the examiner will get everything they want..

by Palmiro Fri Jan 13, 2006 23:35

How does this comply with the TUPE regulations?

by T Fri Jan 13, 2006 17:07

I heard that Roches Stores I think in Cork did a similar thing with the cleaning staff by replacing their own cleaning staff with contractors at cheaper rates and worse conditions

Can anyone confirm this?